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Post by Swarm on Jan 1, 2008 21:30:50 GMT -5
Ok, here is a tough question...now I gave up my rights to help produce Promoter Madness 3 this Summer, and I'm sure Tom and Mike Melesky have great plans for it...with that said I've been thinking about it...
I can't help but notice two things...one, the GWFZ is a pretty big fed right now. Especially for a feeder fed...
Two, this MMA thing and aCe are more popular than ever.
So my question is - what if someone wins a spot and wants to make an MMA guy? What if he wants to make a zombie or something for aCe? Say Zombie Dreadnaught or whatever...
I think that while the building of a GWFZ was fucking killer, maybe we should open up PM to the other feds a bit more, especially considering the MMA cards are designed so differently...
thoughts...?
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Post by Thad Killian on Jan 1, 2008 22:27:34 GMT -5
that's a toughy...already working on an ORIGINAL character that I have talked to TM awhile ago about putting in PM3...and he asked if I was going to make the entry a MMA or GWF...not sure...
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Post by traviz on Jan 1, 2008 22:41:44 GMT -5
I say open it up. It's not like someone COULDN'T make a wrestler for the GWFZ, it's just that if someone wanted to make an MMA fighter, they would have the chance.
Now...having said that, an MMA character wouldn't do much for me, for example, because I don't run a POW fed, but I don't use the women cards much either, but I wouldn't want to tell someone they couldn't make an MMA fighter if that's what they want to do with their slot.
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Post by Matt on Jan 1, 2008 23:50:54 GMT -5
I say open it up. It's not like someone COULDN'T make a wrestler for the GWFZ, it's just that if someone wanted to make an MMA fighter, they would have the chance. Now...having said that, an MMA character wouldn't do much for me, for example, because I don't run a POW fed, but I don't use the women cards much either, but I wouldn't want to tell someone they couldn't make an MMA fighter if that's what they want to do with their slot. I pretty much agree with Trav here. |
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Post by gatekeeper on Jan 2, 2008 0:23:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I say open it up.
That way, if you're a huge fan of the other 2 feds (aCe and POW), you get a shot to get a guy that you could use in there.
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Post by Tournament Master on Jan 2, 2008 0:41:17 GMT -5
I'm torn, but I'd like to see a bit more talent in the Z. Besides after PM3, there is no guarantee of any beyond that...although I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar pop up.
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Post by JMello on Jan 2, 2008 1:08:48 GMT -5
2 words, midget division.
No, seriously, I say open it up, whatever they prefer, let it be, within reason. Basically it'll be up to each promoter how(or if) they use the card anyway. So leave the door wide open.
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Post by daytondave on Jan 2, 2008 12:14:57 GMT -5
I would say, keep it random.
I would also say, open up a few slots for repeat winners. I would love the chance to create a Nurse Elizabeth card to play alongside Doctor Payne and challenge the other ladies of CotG.
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Post by Tournament Master on Jan 2, 2008 12:27:21 GMT -5
So many people haven't had a chance to do one yet, so we can't open it up for repeat winners. However Dave, if you son wins a spot again and doesn't give it up and wants to create a Nurse Elizabeth card with you help. There is nothing I can do to stop that.  |
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Post by Swarm on Jan 2, 2008 12:51:39 GMT -5
So many people haven't had a chance to do one yet, so we can't open it up for repeat winners. However Dave, if you son wins a spot again and doesn't give it up and wants to create a Nurse Elizabeth card with you help. There is nothing I can do to stop that. This presents an interesting point. If past winners are disallowed to win again, are past winners who gave up their spot? Seems to me it would be unfair to handicap someone like Kevin Wible, or Kevin Butcher or Pete Beck who have been to tons of cons or some first time attendee even more by re-allowing someone who already won once but gave up their spot to win again. Not that having a Nurse Elizabeth card wouldn't be great, just my opinion. |
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Post by gatekeeper on Jan 2, 2008 13:02:06 GMT -5
I would also say, open up a few slots for repeat winners. I would love the chance to create a Nurse Elizabeth card to play alongside Doctor Payne and challenge the other ladies of CotG. No repeat winners. C'mon.  You had your chance to do a N. Elizabeth card. Your son could've done it with your help. |
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Post by rawhide on Jan 2, 2008 14:39:18 GMT -5
exactly how many attendees haven't won ?
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Post by Tournament Master on Jan 2, 2008 14:42:10 GMT -5
This presents an interesting point. If past winners are disallowed to win again, are past winners who gave up their spot? Seems to me it would be unfair to handicap someone like Kevin Wible, or Kevin Butcher or Pete Beck who have been to tons of cons or some first time attendee even more by re-allowing someone who already won once but gave up their spot to win again. Not that having a Nurse Elizabeth card wouldn't be great, just my opinion. Well, either way Dave DOES have 2 sons.  |
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Post by JimSteel on Jan 2, 2008 15:02:59 GMT -5
Wild guess I'd say around 20 people have yet to win
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Post by Aquinas on Jan 2, 2008 15:24:23 GMT -5
I'm still cautiously optimistic about attending this year, which would be my 1st G-Con -- so I hope my odds for winning a character stay STRONG!
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Post by Eliath on Jan 2, 2008 16:54:40 GMT -5
I say open it up, or better yet, if there is enough interest, lets develop the feeder fed for POW.
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Post by daytondave on Jan 3, 2008 12:55:34 GMT -5
Sorry, guys. I didn't mean to speak out of line.
Last year at G-Con, it looked like we had covered a sizable proportion of attendees with PM and PM2. I am all for the notion that "everybody gets one before anybody gets two". I also was glad to see an entry in PM2 for a non-GCon attendee.
I also heard murmurs that PM3 would be the last PM set. Is this true? If so, why? If it is not a profitable venture, or it is too consuming for Tom, then it is fine to shut it down. But if it's an issue of running out of promoters, then why not open up PM4+ to previous winners? It could be handicapped in such a way that non-winners get 2-3 numbers and previous winners only get 1 chance in the hopper.
But eventually, there will come a point where all the interested people have won and the concept will only continue if previous winners can get back into the fray.
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Post by Swarm on Jan 3, 2008 13:16:53 GMT -5
I also heard murmurs that PM3 would be the last PM set. Is this true? If so, why? If it is not a profitable venture, or it is too consuming for Tom, then it is fine to shut it down. But if it's an issue of running out of promoters, then why not open up PM4+ to previous winners? Without speaking for Tom, but being someone who has a pretty good idea about how to answer this... PM has been a HUGE success selling wise for Tom. I know where it ranks and it's STRONG! Secondly, Todd and I did our best to keep Tom from having to do much at all with these sets, aside from some minor editing, as the man has a busy plate as we all know. So it's not profit or time consumption for Tom that would put an end to the PM series... ...as a close friend of Tom's for over fifteen years, all I can say is the man just likes to keep doors open. It's as simple as that. If he didn't stick by this approach years ago we may never have had a PM to begin with. So I don't think it's so much a "let's put an end to the PM series" thing as it is "lets play it by ear and see where we can go from here" thing. Tom just isn't the guy to make plans that far in advance. It would be cool to see some of the guys updated one day (Sledgend comes to mind) and that could still happen, but I won't say too much more about that right now. It's kind of shocking for me to see the poll tied up like this...I guess the GWFZ has really grown on some people and maybe some people already have a GWFZ guy or girl ready to go if they win. That's awesome. I just thought with the new MMA stuff someone might want to make an MMA guy or a guy more suitable for aCe if they won...but with those feds exclusively online I guess that does present a bit of a problem unless PM goes online as well. |
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Post by majorbludd on Jan 3, 2008 13:57:33 GMT -5
Why not have a 2-3 year waiting period until previous winners can enter again ?
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Post by Trent Lawless on Jan 3, 2008 16:11:02 GMT -5
Personally, I'd want to see it stay a GWFZ thing at least for one more set, just to give that fed what I consider a full enough complement of cards to use those exclusively and not have to bring in GWF/CPC castoffs. That's one of the main reasons I haven't started my Z fed yet, despite really wanting to (well, that and time...) If anyone did want to do an MMA guy, just be aware that Turkish and I will probably want to give it a once-over so that we can hold him down below the POW's top guys. That's right, I said it! |
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