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Post by Mad Dog on Oct 11, 2006 19:33:17 GMT -5
As I've said. All of my friends who were long term wrestling fans now watch UFC like they used to watch wrestling.
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Post by Joe on Oct 11, 2006 19:57:49 GMT -5
Well the WWE might need to worry now. Ortiz/Shamrock did a 3.1 last night. Not to be disagreeable, but what does one have to do with the other? It got a 3.1, lower than RAW pulls, on a Tuesday night with no competion from a similar product. Ortiz-Shamrock had been hyped up for two months and had a legitimate "superfight" feel to the show. Last night's show was headlined by the rematch of a huge PPV fight that (sort of) ended in controversy and was available on free TV. The show also came on at 8 p.m. and ended at 10, which kept it from going head-to-head with ECW. After watching an ESPN special about MMA, it seems like UFC is trying to position itself as more of a competition to boxing than pro wrestling. |
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Post by Mad Dog on Oct 11, 2006 20:06:33 GMT -5
Because, it's a big danger to pro wrestling. There are a lot of fans that have jumped over. The WWE pulls higher ratings but the UFC is pulling in better ad revenue for their shows and getting better buyrates for their PPVs on smaller ratings. The same thing happened in Japan. The wrestling scene had been down for a few years. MMA hits and now wrestling is struggling to survive there. I think the same is going to happen here eventually.
Plus boxing died when Tyson did his ear biting. The corpse just doesn't realize it yet.
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Post by Joe on Oct 11, 2006 20:22:45 GMT -5
Plus boxing died when Tyson did his ear biting. The corpse just doesn't realize it yet. A lot of people fail to realize that just because something is not hot in there own backyard does not mean it is not hot anywhere. The crowds still come out for latino fighters like Barrera, Morales, and Corrales. Gatti headlines the Garden and still draws viewers HBO. There are plenty of people in boxing making money that dwarfs the incomes of wrestling and UFC stars alike. The reason all these things are ignored is because they take place outside the heavyweight division. Sports fans in America tend to believe that boxing is only as good as the heavyweight division and this is simply not the case. It happens all too often that people toll the bell for something because something else is hot for a minute or two. This is not a criticism of UFC, as I actually have begun to watch casually, but I have not seen anything there that will cripple pro wrestling or boxing in America. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on Oct 11, 2006 20:40:39 GMT -5
NOw that MMA is largely out of the political eye as a target, it will have time to grow as a sport. Many people listened to what was said several years ago with understanding what was actually going on with the UFC.
I am not trying ot be elitist and I still have a certain appreciation for pro wrestling, but MMA is a sport on the rise and does indeed take away from boxing and wrestling. Sure Boxing salaries are in the Millions and MMA guys not named Wanderlei or Fedor are not, but it has created a a certain buzz that has been lacking in both sports in my opinion. Boxing allows too mucc xlinching and too few punches, and wrestling is a debacle of what I used to love and dream of for over 20 years.
MMA dispels all of the myths that a DDT is a fight ender or that a Stone Cold Stunner is a devastating move to use in self defense. MMA shows largely what is and is not effective in a fight.
It has changed the way people view self defense, that throwing a few good punches may not always win the day. Even a background in freestyle wrestling is not always enough.
Despite how both boxing and pro wrestling downplay it, MMA, even in it's infancy right now, is something both sports should be very concerned with. Because before they know it, it will take a large part of their market base.
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Post by Mad Dog on Oct 11, 2006 21:08:59 GMT -5
I should've been more specific on boxing. As far as the U.S. it died with the Tyson bite. Too many people got sick of the corruption and the screw job decisions. I stopped caring about boxing for good after the Del La Hoya/Trinidad fight ended with a screwjob.
With wrestling. MMA is doing wrestling better than wrestling right now.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Oct 11, 2006 21:35:50 GMT -5
With wrestling. MMA is doing wrestling better than wrestling right now. Nicely put. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on Oct 11, 2006 21:43:41 GMT -5
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Post by Mad Dog on Oct 12, 2006 9:32:56 GMT -5
Some more ratings news. They did a 9.7 for males 25-34, an 8.0 for males 18-34. The overall was 4.2 million viewers which destroyed Smackdown's debut on CW. The Ortiz/Shamrock fight pulled in 5.7 million viewers which was more people than watched any segment of WWE last week. This also broke the ratings records for males watching a show on Spike and it also got them the most unique hits ever on their website. It also destroys the previous UFC ratings record of having 2 million viewers.
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Post by Avarice on Oct 12, 2006 9:57:04 GMT -5
I thought that this was a great card. It showed a lot of guys on there that I've wanted to see since the last TUF season. Hamill showed he had it and Groves was good too. I was happy that MacDonald won, because I dislike Ed Herman. He thinks he's the greatest thing since...the paper clip...Good to silence him, even if he is good. Ortiz looked bigger tonight, and I think he's a lot better too...I am thinking about getting the December ppv, and hope that he at least gives Chuck a decent fight and it goes more than 2 rounds.
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Post by vansabu on Oct 12, 2006 14:29:30 GMT -5
I dont like " short fuse" attitude either, Macdonald was the better fighter, wonder how Hermans crow tasted ? He is a big loadmouth who choked in more ways than one. I simply hate the load mouth guys...Diego Sanchez, Ed Herman you know the ones. I do have a liking for Joe Riggs, he is a big mouth but funny as hell!!!
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Post by vansabu on Oct 12, 2006 14:30:36 GMT -5
Oh, boy ...I mean loud mouth not loadmouth...Oops!!
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Post by Joe on Oct 12, 2006 14:53:26 GMT -5
Some more ratings news. They did a 9.7 for males 25-34, an 8.0 for males 18-34. The overall was 4.2 million viewers which destroyed Smackdown's debut on CW. The Ortiz/Shamrock fight pulled in 5.7 million viewers which was more people than watched any segment of WWE last week. This also broke the ratings records for males watching a show on Spike and it also got them the most unique hits ever on their website. It also destroys the previous UFC ratings record of having 2 million viewers. Again, I'm not sure how the numbers of a controversial PPV rematch on cable TV, on a Tuesday at that, are comparable to a weekly wrestling show on a Friday two weeks earlier are comparable. As previously stated, I feel that it is easier to draw a line between MMA and boxing. Following that line of thinking, if a boxing promoter were to give away De La Hoya-Trinidad III or Hopkins-Taylor III on ESPN, the television ratings would probably be through the the roof, as well. These are similar events, so it is fair to compare them. Wrestling, in its current format of 5 new hours of WWE programming on each week, cannot accurately be compared to a superfight card like Ortiz-Shamrock. |
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Post by LWPD on Oct 12, 2006 17:53:01 GMT -5
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IPPON!!
