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Post by DUCE on Jul 17, 2005 12:05:12 GMT -5
There is talk of letting Phil enter Pride's Middleweight Grand Prix. Kazushi Sakuraba is in for sure. Phil's got a bandwagon everyone's jumping on in MMA community with that impressive win over Ryo. I still think they'd let Ryo in the Grand Prix. New York City Bad Ass does not have me on his band wagon though. He took Ryo very seriously and Ryo made a mistake. Bitch Shit happens
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Post by Magog on Jul 18, 2005 2:58:07 GMT -5
Band wagon nothing, alot people were willing to have faith in Phil Baroni, its just alot of people turned trator on him after he went on a loosing streak.
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Post by Magog on Jul 18, 2005 3:16:46 GMT -5
Your over looking Phil's power and hand speed. He's motivated now, hungry, and after reading his last interview his attitude seems win or bust. When someone has little left to loose he can be very dangerous.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Jul 19, 2005 11:30:04 GMT -5
The first time I saw he he punched the eref.
Twice.
After Baroni had eaten about ten hard elbow, he punches the guy who saved him from serious danger.
I was not impressed from then on.
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Post by Magog on Jul 19, 2005 15:02:56 GMT -5
The first time I saw he he punched the eref. Twice. After Baroni had eaten about ten hard elbow, he punches the guy who saved him from serious danger. I was not impressed from then on. I beleive you were talking about his first fight with Evan tanner and the ref stopped the fight prematurely. I'll conceed Phil wasn't going to win at that piont, but I would been annoyed as well. People make mistakes, give him a chance. Besides, its kind of hard to say Prides the better product when you got the New York bad ass, a guy who couldn't cut it in the UFC kicking the high hell out of his foes in Pride. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on Jul 19, 2005 15:49:32 GMT -5
The first time I saw he he punched the eref. Twice. After Baroni had eaten about ten hard elbow, he punches the guy who saved him from serious danger. I was not impressed from then on. I beleive you were talking about his first fight with Evan tanner and the ref stopped the fight prematurely. I'll conceed Phil wasn't going to win at that piont, but I would been annoyed as well. People make mistakes, give him a chance. Besides, its kind of hard to say Prides the better product when you got the New York bad ass, a guy who couldn't cut it in the UFC kicking the high hell out of his foes in Pride. True, it is nice to see UFC toss aways doing well. My problem is that he punched the guy twice. The first punch, while not really, acceptable I could account to the heat of the moment. The second one was after a few seconds, with the ref explaining why the match was called. NO reason for that. He is an immature @$$hole, New York or not. I was rooting for him in that match. Baroni did not appear to take much damage from the elbow assault, but if I were the ref in that position, I would have done the same thing. The last thing MMA, which is on the verge of breaking through in the US, needs right now is a serious injury or death due to not wanting to hurt a man's pride. |
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Post by Jack Karn on Jul 19, 2005 21:15:44 GMT -5
Chuck the UFC champion was destroyed by a Pride throw away (Quentin Jackson).
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Post by DUCE on Jul 19, 2005 21:25:02 GMT -5
Baroni got lucky. Ryo is 10-5 now. Hes the first person to KO Ryo. Lucky shot. I doubt he'd ever beat him again. Baroni is bound to become the next Gilbert Yvel. This proves Ryo's a midcarder.
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Post by Magog on Jul 20, 2005 1:36:09 GMT -5
Baroni got lucky. Ryo is 10-5 now. Hes the first person to KO Ryo. Lucky shot. I doubt he'd ever beat him again. Baroni is bound to become the next Gilbert Yvel. This proves Ryo's a midcarder. Duce I think at this piont your more than willing to bury just about anyone you possibly can that Phil beats if it means you don't have to give Phil credit. (don't get me wrong I intend to do the same thing for Frank Mir, but at least be honest about it). |
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Post by DUCE on Jul 20, 2005 21:25:58 GMT -5
a 1 minute KO doesn't mean Baroni is the greatest thing since sliced bread or that one pool is better then the other. Its a KO punch. A little girl with a mean right hook could do this. I just took away credit from Ryo and gave it to Baroni. Baroni's additude will show through. I think alot of people got Ryoto Machida mixed up with Ryo Chonan. Ryoto is undefeated and recently beat BJ Penn. He works for K-1 one tho. (for a second I did Ryo Chonan isn't an Inoki deciple like Ryoto is) Let everyone know I don't like Baroni. He is leagued with Tito in my book. Who is going to destroy Phil? Is the real question coming....
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Post by MAgog on Jul 21, 2005 2:01:47 GMT -5
Except Tito holds a win over Pride's golden boy Wanderlei Silvia, and being an asshole doesn't mean your not a champion.
I'll do you one better, Phil may just well be crap, but then what does that say about pride? I find it funny that even though its held in Japan most japense based fighters tend to suck balls. I'm not being racest, and yes I'm sure there are a pleasont little hand full of people who can give up a good fight, but lets be honest, if pride really was this mad house of professional fighters that everyones making it out to be, why did Phil win? I beleive the wait devision Phil came from is middle weight in UFC, could it be that UFC MIddle weight division (which i beleive the prides middle weight is UFC's light heavy weight) is actaully better? I mean common if Phil's doing this good a frank Trigg, or Matt hughs would run rough shot over prides competitors.
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Post by Magog on Jul 21, 2005 2:08:50 GMT -5
You know what the real danger is in all of this?
Lets suppose Randy Couture came over to Pride and dominated the sport....... okay and?
Where would be the shame in loosing to Randy Couture. Okay lets suppose Chuck LIddel did it. Still Chuck's not an asshole, he'd shake hands with the who ever he beat general, and would more than welcome a rematch. It would be good for both parties involved. Good, fine.
Now lets peek at Phil Baroni. Lets suppose Phil climbs to the greats hights he can in pride, returns to UFC and gets dusted.
That my friend is a UFC fans dream ;D.
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Post by Jak Karn on Jul 21, 2005 23:20:52 GMT -5
Chuck got dusted in Pride and then came back to UFC to beat Randy! Wand destroyed Quinton Jackson.
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Post by DUCE on Jul 21, 2005 23:33:15 GMT -5
Blah! Romance is all that is. Prides got more money and more of a following and I like it better. Higher class product. I'm actually glad that Yvel Baroni is weeding out the over hyped guys in Pride's "japanese vs. the world" Bushido event. The Japanese fighters are local fighters or VERY POPULAR pro wrestlers. They draw the money at the gate and ACTUALLY HELP the sport. Even if they job or get destroyed they lend their good name to the MMA fighter who beats them. Those crappy japanese fighters you talk about are 100% about the sport. They are truely fans of the people they square off against! The Japanese are the most HUMBLE and RESPECTABLE people on this Earth. You'd NEVER see an American Pro Wrestler like say Hulk Hogan or The Rock get in the ring with Evan Tanner, Randy Couture, or Tim Sylvia. Why? Cause they don't care about MMA( MMA fighters who work just as hard as any pro wrestler on the road and gets alot less). also DANA WHITE!!!!!  !! !!!!!! Screw that guy! He doesn't understand the humility that Takada placed on the line against Rickson Garcie. Granted alot of the earlier Prides had Kickboxing or "fake" matches. So did UFC. Honor goes a long way over there. Most of them aren't MMA fighters. They are FANS of the sport and supporters of MMA |
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Post by Darth Turkish on Jul 22, 2005 7:59:48 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, which earlier UFC matches were fixed for fake?
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Post by DUCE on Jul 22, 2005 16:42:05 GMT -5
Vitor's match at the first UFC Japan was fake against Joe Charles
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Post by Magog on Jul 23, 2005 4:20:49 GMT -5
"The Japanese are the most HUMBLE and RESPECTABLE people on this Earth"
Oh yes, a people who live in denile of the war crimes of world war II peaceful and humble.
A nation where women are treated like second class citizens, is the bastion of peace and tranquility (don't get me wrong I like japan) but they a paranoid isolationist little country. But that's getting entirely off tract.
Your getting mad because Pride has it's pony boys there just not run by Dana White. IF you think those dud wrestlers who are there to get dusted by the real fighters are the show, well that's fine for japan but what about the rest of the world?
As for American wrestlers, Bill Gold Berg(Not that I want to stick up for Bill) has expressed an interested in MMA, as has Brock lesner. Know why they haven't? They'd get smashed. They know, we know it, and they saved them selves alot of embersement. If the rock stepped into the ring of MMA, it wouldn't help the sport, it would be a special. Oh sure we'd pay to see it no doubt. But lets be honest he'd have no real place there, none of them would (with maybe the exception of Kurt Angle who actually holds wrestling wins (Not pro "wrestling) over Mark Coleman and Kevin Randleman.
Alot people don't belong in that ring. Baroni is an asshole. I'm sure he knows that. Hell he might even be riods. I'm not disputing that. In fact while he's in Japan I hope he screams I'm number one and spits at the crowd while chanting USA. Not that I hate Japan, but that would be Phil being Phil. It would piss me off to see Phil pretending to act civil because it would be all B.S. YEs I'm dreaming Duce, Phil's not going to win the tournament.
Let me repeat that, Phil will not win the tournament the one now, or later. I know that. But you and I also new he wasn't going to advance. MMA is a funny old dog. Maybe Phil's time has come. Wouldn't that be something. Soon enough you'll be here going "Ha see I told you it couldn't last" And I'm not debating that. But not just yet, and there's no romance in that jack.
The reality is Phil's pissing of the purists. I guess that kind of makes him the Kevin Nash of MMA so be it.
Just remember this, the Kevin Nashes of the world have a habit of climbing a tad taller than any purest would ever care to see.
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Post by Magog on Jul 23, 2005 4:54:35 GMT -5
Now lets talk about honor. Chuck LIddel is seeking out people (like his current foe) who have beaten him in the past to prive his name. That's honorable.
Exscuse me but when Vitor get a rematch with Wanderlai Silvia? No? Oh I thought not. Yeah maybe he doesn't deserve it because of the pecking order and all, but it would sell. It would be one of those matches that screams upset. Silvia takes alot crap fighters, oh sure he fights a few good ones here and there, but there like one in three. I see more "Pride" in Chuck as a champion and a willingness to take on more threatening challengers than Wanderlei ever has. I'm sure if Chuck were in pride and Wanderlai would came up short in a tournament, he would set up a match with Wanderlai (as would Dana white if he ran the company) if had anything to do with it. Maybe for one it would be for the fame, and the other the money, but lets be honest the final result would be worth it.
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Post by DUCE on Jul 24, 2005 1:05:48 GMT -5
"The Japanese are the most HUMBLE and RESPECTABLE people on this Earth" Oh yes, a people who live in denile of the war crimes of world war II peaceful and humble. A nation where women are treated like second class citizens, is the bastion of peace and tranquility (don't get me wrong I like japan) but they a paranoid isolationist little country. But that's getting entirely off tract. I've lived in Japan serving our country from 2001 to 2004. I was on watch onboard the USS Eseex when 911 happened. Every country has facist times. If you call yourself a christian then you shouldn't shovel up past war crimes. This REALLY offends me, magog. 1945 was 60 years ago. |
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Post by DUCE on Jul 24, 2005 1:15:42 GMT -5
" As for American wrestlers, Bill Gold Berg(Not that I want to stick up for Bill) has expressed an interested in MMA, as has Brock lesner. Know why they haven't? They'd get smashed. They know, we know it, and they saved them selves alot of embersement. If the rock stepped into the ring of MMA, it wouldn't help the sport, it would be a special. Oh sure we'd pay to see it no doubt. But lets be honest he'd have no real place there, none of them would (with maybe the exception of Kurt Angle who actually holds wrestling wins (Not pro "wrestling) over Mark Coleman and Kevin Randleman. The POINT was giving SUPPORT to our sport. Goldberg versus Sylvia UFC 62(whenever) gives UFC credability and MORE MONEY. Its like an endorsement. It also awnsers the question "Hey, Tim Sylvia isn't perfect but he's won a tournament and beat Ricco so maybe we will see if he can beat Bill. Goldberg is a great pro wrestler with alot of skills can he use them effectively in THE OCTAGON!?" Do you see what I am saying? If Bill was Japanese is would be a show of honor. Hes honoring OUR sport. Inoki versus Ali was to enable both fan bases to have proper exposure to each of the legends sport and showcased eachothers skill. I would love to see Tim Sylvia mash Goldberg's face. How about Steve Blackman? KURT ANGLE would be nice. No no one cares about UFC or Dana White in Vinceland. Bill's got no honor. He just wants to do his pro wrestling and hang out with MMA fighters. |
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