Have You (Tom or Mark) "fudged" dice rolls?

[offspring515]

This topic was posted by me in the GWF folder, but I thought I'd put it here too. Do either of you reroll or "fudge" a dice roll if the outcome is something you don't like?

I, Godzillajoe and a few others say it's a sin most unforgiveable. Most others say it's perfectly fine. So where do the games masterminds fall?

[Trent Lawless]

In my younger days ... occasionally. But only if there was a compelling storyline reason, not because I personally liked the guy better.

Now? No.

Forgive me?

For what it's worth, the Ninja Assassins really did hold my tag belts for 3 years (real time), no fudging involved.

[Tom]

Very rarely, but every now and then I won't count a fast pin. I might allow the match to continue and give the wrestler a token. It doesn't happen often, but the last time I remember doing it was a match between Nosfera and somebody, maybe Valour. I really wanted Nosfera to win and I "helped" him a little.

[offspring515]

I am shocked and disheartened! This is a sad day! A SAD DAY I SAY

[hawk]

HUZZAH~! The fudgers are vindicated.

[Darth Turkish]

hawk said:

HUZZAH~! The fudgers are vindicated.

ha ha ha

[ChrisD]

NOOOOOOO


Now you're gonna tell me Santa didn't order all my Legends cards

[Tongsoon of Cygnus]

hawk said:

HUZZAH~! The fudgers are vindicated.

A day of reckoning! Rejoice! Rejoice!

[Tom]

Now that we're at it, there are lots of ways to fudge a match in favor of one wrestler over another. An indirect approach is to make "bad" decisions for a wrestler that you want to lose. That means doing things like throwing an opponent with an "A" Ropes rating into ropes (or turnbuckle or wherever) or not tagging out a wrestler with several tokens when there's a chance to tag out.

Then there's not using distraction or interference in some logically coherent way in order to "handicap" a wrestler...say wasting it when it's not really needed. Let's not forget "rolling up" to L1O where there are several "turnarounds" on ag or pw that could hurt the wrestler.

This could become a whole new COTG parlor game!

Golly gee, there's lots of creative ways to fudge. Not saying I use them of course.

[hawk]

Thats a valid point.

I use the same choice situations (Such as chart rolls) when I roll the choice, BUUUT I can't honestly say I opt for the best choice move to fit their stats.

I think alot of the people who think they don't "fudge" have actually fudged quite often even subconsciously.

[offspring515]

Oh i agree with that fully. I know I catch myself sometimes favoring one wrestler over another. I try my hardest not too, but it's human nature.

To me though, sending a guy with an "A" rating into the ropes, and totally disregarding a failed kickout attempt are two very different things.

[hawk]

How do you figure? By not sending him into the ropes, your giving him a chance, which could lead to his success later in the match.

It's one immediate screw, compared to a possible long term screw.

[offspring515]

Ok...If I decide that Spike is going to send Incredible Badger into the ropes, even though Badger has an A ropes rating, it COULD be seen as "fudging" as Badger has a better chance to go back on offense than someone with a B or a C. But momentum shifts with one guy going on offense or the other usually happen dozens of times in a longer match.

So to me, that's not nearly as big a deal as Spike pinning Badger with 2 moves, badger rolling snake eyes and me saying "I didn't want that outcome...so it didn't happen!"

One is ignoring the end of a match, the other is maybe, and I stress maybe, causing one guy to go on the offensive.

I know we'll never agree on this, but that's just where I'm coming from.

[Big Bri]

With the updated version of the basic charts, there are so many "odd/even" and "who has the better Ropes, etc. Rating" options at this point that the A-B-C doesn't have too much to do with it anymore.

I always use a chart, even if it's followed by a (c).

[pikemojo]

Once in a great while I will ignore a quick pin if it is a big match that I don't want to see end so quickly. I don't do it to favor a specific wrestler, just to extend a match.
I do however usually try to do what is best for all wrestlers decision wise.

[Tom]

Now that fudging is an open topic (and an interesting one too) I want to say that as a strict rule (99.999% of the time) I don't fudge. In fact, I do just the opposite by ignoring my emotions and trying to make "good decisions" for both competitors despite the fact that I sometimes REALLY want one side to win over the other. I also agree that the best storylines come with creatively going with the flow.

The few times I've fudged, and it's usually indirect stuff, I've felt cheap and thought it somehow "tainted" my fed. I felt guilty the next morning.

But that's just me. I wouldn't argue that there's something reprehensible about the occasional fudge. It's yet another of the choices people make when they play.

Interestingly, the sport on which COTG is based, professional wrestling, is all-but-total fudge. Ironic, ain't it?

[offspring515]

You just blew my mind tom