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Post by gwffantrav on Feb 3, 2006 9:23:49 GMT -5
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060203/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prophet_drawingsNow sorry if I don't feel sorry for the muslims. This is the group that continuously portrays Jews in their papers as big hook noses or in Saudi Arabia will imprison anyone caught practicing any form of Christianity. Or murdered the guy, who was actually van Gogh's nephew, when he made a movie on how muslim women were treated. PLEASE, where you're a Republican or Democrat, conservative or liberal...we have to drill in our country, have nuclear power or whatever...we have to rid ourself of the middle east!!! P.S. I've heard certain sides that have condemned this, yet find it perfectly acceptable to show art of crosses with crap smeared on them, etc. Sorry, but not a lot of sleep today and have to rant.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Feb 3, 2006 16:24:28 GMT -5
Yeah well I think I will keep it as simple as I agree with you Trav and leave it at that. If I open my mouth and say what I really think could get me in trouble. In one word- Stupid!
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Post by soug on Feb 3, 2006 21:11:55 GMT -5
the less said about them the better!
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Post by Shon Maxx on Feb 8, 2006 6:57:51 GMT -5
I disagree. Blaming the entire middle east for that is like blaming Christians for that guy buring the strip bar in Alabama last week in "God's name." I have a coworker who was raised both Musim and Christian, and from what she's told me (and a little research I conducted on my own), basic Islam is more open than Christianity. One of the basic ideas of Islam is to accept everyone.
However, just like any other religion, you get a couple power-hungry @$$es in charge, and suddenly you have some brand new rules, fundamentalism, and outright hatred for an entire group to the point of the above article.
While a disagree with the protest over the picture, I also disagree that the entire middle east should be held responsible. We need to get rid of the people in charge and let the rest see the truth.
Unfortunately, that's easier said than done.
Take care,
Jay
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Post by gwffantrav on Feb 8, 2006 22:21:31 GMT -5
Well, not to be a smart... but there's more than just a "few".
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Post by soug on Feb 8, 2006 22:21:59 GMT -5
true. I have some great Muslim friends. The problem is the fanatics.
then again, they exists in all religions.
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Post by pikemojo on Feb 9, 2006 2:07:29 GMT -5
I disagree. Blaming the entire middle east for that is like blaming Christians for that guy buring the strip bar in Alabama last week in "God's name." I have a coworker who was raised both Musim and Christian, and from what she's told me (and a little research I conducted on my own), basic Islam is more open than Christianity. One of the basic ideas of Islam is to accept everyone. However, just like any other religion, you get a couple power-hungry @$$es in charge, and suddenly you have some brand new rules, fundamentalism, and outright hatred for an entire group to the point of the above article. While a disagree with the protest over the picture, I also disagree that the entire middle east should be held responsible. We need to get rid of the people in charge and let the rest see the truth. Unfortunately, that's easier said than done. Take care, Jay First off, this is not trying in any way to demean you or anything. I just want to address a few things. First Islam the Koran often refers to the enemies of Islam. That does not sound very open to me. Some take that to mean anyone not Muslim and some take it to mean those that do things that are specifically against their religion. Second, I don't know how you are defining open. Christianity is a very inviting religion. It is not accepting of sin but it shouldn't be. There is an old saying "Love the sinner, hate the sin". Christianity should be open to everyone and should be portrayed that way by Christians. Unfortunately it is not always that way. Third, if Christians rioted in the way Muslims are right now anytime there was a cartoon depicting Jesus in a way they then things would be crazy. Obviously you can't blame this on all Muslims. All Muslims are not bad people. But the problem is that Muslims don't step up and tell the ones that are rioting that it is wrong and stupid to do so. And to top it all off there is suspicions that governments in Iran and another country I can't remember could be partially responsible for pushing citizens toward rioting. |
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Post by gwffantrav on Feb 9, 2006 2:13:25 GMT -5
I believe Syerria....gasp...is the original Sheik behind this conspiracy!?!? ;D
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Post by Shon Maxx on Feb 9, 2006 5:29:45 GMT -5
I agree with you, Pike, the basic idea of Christianity is acceptance. Unfortunately, a great number of people don't follow it. True they don't riot and condemn as much as they used to (and Christians have done some pretty gruesome things "in the name of God."), but they can still act fanatical at times, shooting abortion doctors, buring down buildings they don't agree with, condeming a religion they don't agree with (growing up in a Catholic family but being a Buddhist, I've seen this).
However they basic ideas behind both religons are nearly exactly the same. Islam encourages people to accept everyone. I don't know anything about the 'enemies of Islam,' but then again it could have been added just like the Bible has been modified thousands of times.
Now I'm not putting Christianity down. I'm just saying the religion as a whole is too similar to Islam to put Muslims down. The problem is having people in power with egos and greed who decide to make up their own rules and claim "it's in the Koran."
One of these is that women must cover up because, "they cannot control their lusts, and it's their fault that men are seduced by them." (Funny, Christian priests, centuries ago, used the same excuse to molest women.).
All in all, I've seen the good and bad with both religions, and the fault lies in certain persons, not in the religion or overall group itself.
Take care,
Jay
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Post by pistonhurricane on Feb 9, 2006 10:05:26 GMT -5
Not to get off topic or anything, but this was something that opened my eyes a bit. I bought "The Greatest Wrestling Stars of The 80s" dvd a few monthes ago. While watching the bit on the Iron Shiek he started to tell the storie of the AWA trying to get him to shoot on Hogan, break his leg and bring the belt back to Minnesota.
Now, ive heard this story a hundred times from different people, im sure we all have. But to hear it from the Shiek in his broken english was something else. The part specifically that got me was this: "Mr. Verne Gagne offered me 100,000 dollars (or however much.) to break Hogans leg, but Mr. Vince Mcmahon was my boss and gave me a job. I am a Muslim man, i can not cut off the hand that feeds me, so i dropped the title to Hogan."
I was always lead to believe that ALL muslims are part of this horrible religous order that hates America and wants nothing but war and suffering forever. I know a lot of people that would have broken hogans leg given the situation and runn to minnesota for the money. (im NOT saying the Shiek is a saint by anymeans, however.) To hear someone say "I am a Muslim man." in defense of doing the right thing made me stop and think.
The situation is deeper than black and white. there seem to be infinite grey areas.
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Feb 9, 2006 11:01:34 GMT -5
However they basic ideas behind all non-Satanic religons are nearly exactly the same. Fixed. This, at its most fundamental level, is why I'm an athiest: you can have the core values without needing to believe in a higer power. |
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Post by pikemojo on Feb 9, 2006 21:00:23 GMT -5
I don't completely agree with everything you say bladeflyer but overall I do agree. People end up being the problem with religions. Plus it is always the bad things that people do that get noticed, not the good things. I am sure there are some great things that Muslims are doing around the world but you only hear about gihads and riots. With Christianity the thing we seem to be hearing about most is Catholic priests molesting children.
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Post by Pete Beck on Feb 9, 2006 22:54:04 GMT -5
People end up being the problem with religions. I honestly don't know if i have seen a more true statement than this...anywhere... |
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Post by soug on Feb 9, 2006 23:34:41 GMT -5
People are the cause...but religious leaders dont help things. Much the same way our political leaders lead us into things we dont want any part of. Who in their right mind is pro war?? But we go.... maybe it's the devil talking to us!!??  |
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Post by pikemojo on Feb 9, 2006 23:57:01 GMT -5
Religious leaders ARE people. Sometimes people forget that they are too and are too hard on them for honest mistakes. Sometimes.
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Post by soug on Feb 10, 2006 0:15:45 GMT -5
Religious leaders ARE people. Sometimes people forget that they are too and are too hard on them for honest mistakes. Sometimes. i have to disagree. sometimes they put themselves above people! they have the attitude.." let me show you the way....etc". With power comes.....well you know the story! |
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Post by jsanudo on Feb 10, 2006 0:25:55 GMT -5
A lot of people (not necessarily on this board) act as if Christianity does not have a violent background. Anyone ever heard of the Crusades? Or Christianities "spread" to the New World? I am not justifying either of these acts nor what is going on in our current time. These things have been going on for centuries.
We all know from our own recent history that many people riot just to riot (see L.A. after the O.J. trial).
And when you say "rid ourself of the Middle East" I think you mean our dependence on the Middle East. That can be done one of two ways:
1. Find another oil rich land (preferably land we already control) and drill.
2. Make this country less dependent of oil by finding other lubricants and combustables. The Arabs are not dumb people. Why will we never see gas at $5.00 a gallon? Because at that point, alternative fuels become cost effective.
Hey, I am a Republican, but I will agree with everyone that says this war is, atleast in part, about oil. Instead of spending so much money on this war, it may have been wise in the long run to use it on developing alternative fuels. That is the key. If the west no longer needs oil, countries like Iraq, Syria and Iran (or their "independent" citizens, depending on who you want to believe) would not have the money to finance terrorist attacks.
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Post by soug on Feb 10, 2006 2:12:41 GMT -5
maybe the muslims are going through their middle ages? ( Like the crusades)
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Post by Shon Maxx on Feb 10, 2006 6:34:48 GMT -5
It's possible, Soug, very possible.
All religions have their fundamentalists and bloody pasts, even Buddhists.
People, at times, have a hard time believing that their chosen faith is just that, faith. They think they are right and the rest of the world is wrong. Even sects within a religion are like that .I remember sometime ago, before I took up Buddhism, someone yelled at me, "You're a Catholic, not a Christian!" I remember thinking, "What's the difference?"
Most religions are seeking the same thing, inner and/or spiritual peace. The path you take to get there is yours to choose, as long as it gets you there and doesn't cause harm to yourself and anyone else.
Most of the religions encourage the same things anyway; compassion, understanding, taking responsibility for one's actions (people seem to forget about that last one quite a bit...have you noticed?)
Coming to this realization could take a long time, but it's possible. I just hope we don't blow the @$#@ out of ourselves first!
Take care,
Jay
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Feb 10, 2006 10:50:38 GMT -5
someone yelled at me, "You're a Catholic, not a Christian!" I remember thinking, "What's the difference?" Catholics put a lot of emphasis on Mary, I believe. I'm sure there are other distinctions too, but I think that's the major one. |
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