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Post by swarm on Nov 8, 2005 15:15:13 GMT -5
I wanted to take a minute and say that maybe I was being too hard on Chris last week about the whole wrestlers war thing.
Yes, I have a passionate personality, and probably more testosterone running through my body than a horse, but sometimes I can't help it.
I really do believe in everything I stand for, I just think maybe I could have gone about it in a more constructive manner.
...not to use excuses, but I had a rough week. The only dog I ever had died and that put me in a horribly bad mood, bordering on depression.
So for what it's worth, I will never apologize for defending Tom in any situation, but I am sorry for freaking out about it the way I did.
swarm
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Post by Shon Maxx on Nov 8, 2005 15:30:11 GMT -5
Swarm,
I didn't see the argument, but I do know how you feel about your dog. Last week, we had to put our dog down. Hardest thing I've ever done, and the worst feeling in the world, especially being there when they did it. I still feel like I killed my kid, although I know we did what we had to.
So in short, I empathize with you and wish you well getting through it.
Take care,
Jay
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Post by neil on Nov 8, 2005 15:56:34 GMT -5
guys,
it doesnt matter if its a cat or dog you feel the same.i should know hope you feel better swarm.
later bub,
neil
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Post by MikeMcKinney on Nov 8, 2005 16:09:03 GMT -5
Thats real stand up stuff Swarm.
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Post by Mike M on Nov 8, 2005 16:24:28 GMT -5
Sorry to hear about the dog, Swarm. I hope that things get better for you soon.
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Nov 9, 2005 11:13:47 GMT -5
Out of curiosity... how old was the dog?
I've outlived three dogs and probably half a dozen cats in my 28 years (plus many fish, but they don't generate the same attachment), and none of them really affected me too much... Mostly because they weren't "mine" (my parants or grandparents did most of the caretaking); also, I was frequently away at college or had moved out when most of them officially passed, so I was spared the full brunt of the imapct. Plus I'm not a mourner in general.
But when it's time for the two cats I currently own to depart, it's definitely going to be personal. It's a whole different ballgame when you're the primary caretaker -- almost like losing a child, I'd imagine.
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Post by swarm on Nov 9, 2005 12:39:17 GMT -5
Out of curiosity... how old was the dog? I've outlived three dogs and probably half a dozen cats in my 28 years (plus many fish, but they don't generate the same attachment), and none of them really affected me too much... Mostly because they weren't "mine" (my parents or grandparents did most of the caretaking); also, I was frequently away at college or had moved out when most of them officially passed, so I was spared the full brunt of the impact. Plus I'm not a mourner in general. But when it's time for the two cats I currently own to depart, it's definitely going to be personal. It's a whole different ballgame when you're the primary caretaker -- almost like losing a child, I'd imagine. she was old. she was 15. but she wasn't blind, or deaf, and didn't have tumors or anything. Just old. worst part is, is that in all mental preparation over the months leading up to this, did it cross my mind for a second that I would watch her take her last breaths, which I did. it was very sad as she seemed to be in great pain leading up to her finally letting go. The problem was that she was very sick about a month ago and we were ready to put her down, and out of nowhere she snapped out of it and was fine... so when she seemed to get sick again, it was hard to try and take her in and put here down, seeing as she recovered the last time. that last night was awful. and then she died within 1 minute of me and my mom walking into the room she was in and laying down next to her. It was horrible. I have decided to get 2 new dogs, instead of one, so it will be kind of a different experience. So instead of having a "new dog" i just have "dogs" now. I don't know if that makes sense, but it makes sense to me. thanks for asking. swarm |
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Post by soug on Nov 9, 2005 21:10:24 GMT -5
first off i dont think you did anything wrong with the whole wrestling wars thing.( i could say a few things about them, but im not going to waste my time.)you stood up for what you believed....so it doesnt matter whether anyone else gets it!
second, the passing of a pet can be devastating. the first dog i had , that i was close to ( that is ,i really loved him) , died 4 years ago...and it still hurts! i now have 2 dogs and one of them is about 11 years old and really starting to lose weight.this is freaking me out because my first dog went the same way. i find myself spending so much time with him.i recently sold my business and enjoying some time off. so my day is filled by playing with ice ( 11 yr old dog) and max ( he's about 5).
after a while you really just remember what a joy they are! sometimes i think dogs are so much better than people.why? i dont know...its just a feeling.
take it easy swarm.
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Post by pistonhurricane on Nov 10, 2005 8:02:43 GMT -5
Swarm, I had the same thing happen this past summer. I got my dog "Ditka" when i was 12, my family was stationed in Okinawa, Japan at the time. I went through so much in the time i had him... he was my little brother (the hairy one!). I miss him much and i dont think i will ever get over this.
My condolences, sir.
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Post by gatekeeper on Nov 17, 2005 12:24:19 GMT -5
Now I know I have a slightly jaded point of view (since Swarm and myself have been best friends ever since 2nd grade) but all I can tell you is Swarm is a VERY passionate person. Especially when it comes to wrestling and even more so, Tom and the COTG.
We were both very upset by the whole WW website basically trashing everything about Tom and this game, even though, clearly, it's a direct ripoff of COTG.
But Swarm is a very loyal peson, more than anyone else I've ever known. He is also very opinionated and doesn't try to hide it. Do I agree with everything he says, no. Just as nobody ever agrees, 100%, with anyone else on this planet.
Having lost 2 dogs, it's a very tough emotional time and my thoughts are definitely with Rob's whole family during this time. It's like losing a family member (especially after 15 years).
But Swarm is the best bud I've ever had and he has a very warm heart once you get to him. So, time heals all wounds (and having a new dog(s) will help for sure) and let's get them dice rollin'.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Nov 19, 2005 9:24:43 GMT -5
Out of curiosity... But when it's time for the two cats I currently own to depart, it's definitely going to be personal. It's a whole different ballgame when you're the primary caretaker -- almost like losing a child, I'd imagine. yeah, that sums up my feeling |
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Post by swarm on Nov 19, 2005 9:29:19 GMT -5
Out of curiosity... But when it's time for the two cats I currently own to depart, it's definitely going to be personal. It's a whole different ballgame when you're the primary caretaker -- almost like losing a child, I'd imagine. yeah, that sums up my feeling it is. I think of her everyday, but saving a new dog (she is actually a hurricane katrina victim animal I got from a rescue shelter here in Michigan) has warmed my heart again. It just feels so good to know you have saved an animals life ya know? I got a 10 month old pit-bull terrier and named her sadie. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on Nov 19, 2005 10:37:06 GMT -5
I know people who simply see pets such as dogs, cats whatever, simply as "animals"- that which is supposed to be wallowing in the dirt of running around in the woods.
But when all you have is a pet, and it is just you and that animal (cat in my case), and yes, you are the primary caretaker, that kind of a bond is unbreakable. That pet becomes a valued family member.
I think my wife is still a bit jealous of the way I treat my two cats.
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Post by neil on Nov 19, 2005 15:30:57 GMT -5
swarm,
nice to hear you got a new pet .
nei
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Post by Wad on Dec 6, 2005 5:16:30 GMT -5
We were both very upset by the whole WW website basically trashing everything about Tom and this game, even though, clearly, it's a direct ripoff of COTG. What exactly did this site say? Did it also insult all the players of the game? |
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Post by tafkaga on Dec 6, 2005 5:57:41 GMT -5
The site advertises its game as if it is superior to other "crappy" wrestling games out there. I use the word "crappy", because that is its slogan...it says "Tired of crappy wrestling games?" on the front page of the site. There have been a few jabs taken at COTG on the site itself, basically pointing out the fact that COTG is not realistic and that a few of its wrestlers are silly. That's basically the extent of what the website itself said.
The forum for Wrestling Wars is another matter. Although the administrator does not look fondly on it, there are quite a few posters and players of that game that have made a point of saying how superior their game is to COTG. Some posters have ridiculed COTG despite the fact that they never played it. One particular poster made fun of Tom Filsinger and his book. I don't totally understand their motivation for attacking COTG, but the administrator of the forum has been pretty good about locking threads and/or deleting posts that get off on the COTG bashing.
The negativity was in part fueled by some COTG players who went over there basically for the sole purpose of flaming their game. The originator of this thread is one of those people who was banned from there for pretty much breaking every rule they had. I think that some people there keep flaming COTG for no other reason than the fact that a couple of COTG people "invaded" their territory and they see it as their way of striking back. Someone who was supposedly from there incited a flame war on this board as a guest. I asked the administrator about it and he has no idea who the guy was and was pretty fed up with the drama. But since it was just a guest, it could very well have been someone from here just fueling the drama.
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Dec 6, 2005 10:54:09 GMT -5
They have since eliminated 99% of the CotG references from their site and done their best to crack down on the rabid fanboyism and/or flaming. We've done pretty much the same thing here.
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Post by Joe on Dec 6, 2005 16:16:36 GMT -5
The site advertises its game as if it is superior to other "crappy" wrestling games out there. I use the word "crappy", because that is its slogan...it says "Tired of crappy wrestling games?" on the front page of the site. There have been a few jabs taken at COTG on the site itself, basically pointing out the fact that COTG is not realistic and that a few of its wrestlers are silly. That's basically the extent of what the website itself said. The forum for Wrestling Wars is another matter. Although the administrator does not look fondly on it, there are quite a few posters and players of that game that have made a point of saying how superior their game is to COTG. Some posters have ridiculed COTG despite the fact that they never played it. One particular poster made fun of Tom Filsinger and his book. I don't totally understand their motivation for attacking COTG, but the administrator of the forum has been pretty good about locking threads and/or deleting posts that get off on the COTG bashing. The negativity was in part fueled by some COTG players who went over there basically for the sole purpose of flaming their game. The originator of this thread is one of those people who was banned from there for pretty much breaking every rule they had. I think that some people there keep flaming COTG for no other reason than the fact that a couple of COTG people "invaded" their territory and they see it as their way of striking back. Someone who was supposedly from there incited a flame war on this board as a guest. I asked the administrator about it and he has no idea who the guy was and was pretty fed up with the drama. But since it was just a guest, it could very well have been someone from here just fueling the drama. Tafkaga- Originally, they had a section on the main site called "Tim's Brainstem," in which they mocked Tom's name, creations and supporters. Hell, the author of the column even wrote it in a manner very similar to Tom's style. From what I have seen, the moderator deleted the post about the book, but that is all. There are still quite a few negative references to COTG and its fans in the forum. I reaalize you like to give all the WW guys the benefit of the doubt about everything but I think it is safe to say that the guests who posted about WW here were not members of this board who was "fueling the drama." Not only does that make no sense, but there are ways to tell that is not the case. One poster on their board, "Gazoo," was on here a few months prior to the start of the WW mess acting like an absolute idiot. Soon, he was on their forum. A couple of the other guests here are now registered members of their board who have posted in a very sales-rep type manner. I'm glad you take the word of their administrator, who I believe may also be half of their registered members, because they have proven to be such a stand up group to this point. Whenever you discuss this subject, you clearly do so in a way that attempts to divert any blame away from the people at WW. You again point out that the negativity was, in part, caused by people from this forum flaming them on their turf. You fail to acknowledge, however, that if their supporters (or creators) hadn't shown up on this forum pushing WW and bashing COTG, there would have never been a problem. No one on this board had any knowledge of the product until a "guest" showed up talking about their website and how he was nervous about them "talking about us." That same guest later flipped the script and began talking about how superior WW is to COTG. I recall you pointed out to someone on here that he should try prying his lips off someone else's a$$. Perhaps you should follow that same advice. -Joe |
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Post by soug on Dec 6, 2005 16:46:39 GMT -5
dont know if this is relevent, but i was on that board and had a post "modified".i dont think i was out of order just responding to some half wit. i was banned, which made me happy, but found out that my post was modified to make me look silly. its one thing to delete a post , its another to completely change it! there's no class "over there"!
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Post by neil on Dec 6, 2005 17:53:19 GMT -5
what is the name of the post soug?
neil
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IPPON!!