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Post by Aquinas on Oct 3, 2007 23:38:46 GMT -5
Breaking news.......
Diamondbacks Win!
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Post by sickman on Oct 4, 2007 1:41:24 GMT -5
Thats ok; Cubs win the next 3 with Lilly, Hill and Marquis pitching and Soriano not going 0-5
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Post by BDS on Oct 4, 2007 8:31:02 GMT -5
Breaking news....... Diamondbacks Win!It wouldn't surprise me if the D-Backs win tonight. Webb is good enough to win the game by himself. I don't see them winning another game in the series, though, especially considering that the Cubs remembered how to hit in September. Hate until you're blue in the face, Aquinas, but the Cubs are winning this series. All they have to do is win tonight, which shouldn't be that difficult considering the pitching matchups, and suddenly it's a best-of-three with the Cubs having home field advantage. I'm not concerned here at all. |
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Post by dukedave on Oct 4, 2007 8:41:24 GMT -5
Hate until you're blue in the face, Aquinas, but the Cubs are winning this series. All they have to do is win tonight, which shouldn't be that difficult considering the pitching matchups, and suddenly it's a best-of-three with the Cubs having home field advantage. I'm not concerned here at all. Ah, the optimistic nature of the Cubbie fans. It is quite cute. Some might even call it lovable. |
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Post by Wildfire on Oct 4, 2007 9:13:14 GMT -5
So BDS, what do you think of Pinella pulling Zambrano early to 'save' him for game 4.
I don't think the Cubs have that big a matchup advantage.. Lilly is a LITTLE better the Davis, but its not like they're sending Joel Pinero out there or something.
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Post by BDS on Oct 4, 2007 9:25:26 GMT -5
I think Lilly, Hill, and Zambrano are all significantly better than anyone pitching for the Diamondbacks that isn't named Brandon Webb. I'm not going to criticize what Lou did - as I was watching the game last night and saw he pulled him at 85 pitches, I realized why he was doing it, and I was okay with it. Marmol's been lights out all year, and he had a bad night last night, that happens.
I'm still extremely confident of the Cubs chances here. I won't get worred unless they lose again tonight, which I just can't see happening. Lilly is better than Davis, and the Cubs offense is better than Arizona's offense.
EDIT: If anything, I'm not angry that Lou pulled Z so early, but that he didn't pull him early enough. If he was going to yank him when he did all along, why not pull him an inning earlier and let Daryle Ward pinch hit for him with the bases loaded and two outs? That was the move I question the most, not saving Z for game four.
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Post by Wildfire on Oct 4, 2007 10:11:40 GMT -5
That's a good point about Ward.. I was flipping back and forth between the game and TUF, so I didn't pick that up, but yeah, I agree with ya there.
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Post by azfan on Oct 4, 2007 10:14:54 GMT -5
The only thing you have to worry about is that Doug Davis will sometimes show up and pitch a really good game.
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Post by Aquinas on Oct 4, 2007 10:39:36 GMT -5
I think Doug Davis is a rather underrated pitcher. He's not as consistent as one would like....but I think his win/loss record is always misleading. For the Brewers and also for the first part of this season with the D'Backs, he got lousy run support. He had a solid second half, and I think he's dependable and will pull it off in the big spotlight today. And that's not me being anti-Cub...that's me admittedly being pro-Davis. The only thing you have to worry about is that Doug Davis will sometimes show up and pitch a really good game. |
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Post by stephenvegas on Oct 4, 2007 10:41:52 GMT -5
According to the opening line in the sportsbooks here, the Cubs are favored to win tonight.
I think I saw the Cubs at -125.
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Post by BDS on Oct 4, 2007 10:44:53 GMT -5
Put down a fiver for me, Vegas, and enjoy your winnings afterwards!  |
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Post by BDS on Oct 4, 2007 10:51:33 GMT -5
I think Doug Davis is a rather underrated pitcher. He's not as consistent as one would like....but I think his win/loss record is always misleading. For the Brewers and also for the first part of this season with the D'Backs, he got lousy run support. He had a solid second half, and I think he's dependable and will pull it off in the big spotlight today. And that's not me being anti-Cub...that's me admittedly being pro-Davis. Fine, fine. Doug Davis doesn't entirely suck. Whatever. He's not having the kind of year that Ted Lilly is, though. Among pitchers that made it to the NL postseason, Ted Lilly ranks 3rd in ERA, 2nd in WHIP, 3rd in K/9, and 3rd in opponent's OPS. He's in the top 15 in all of those stats for the whole NL. As #2 starters go, the only one in the NL who was better this year was Chris Young. Doug Davis might not suck, but Ted Lilly's really good. That'll be the difference tonight. That and the Alfonso Soriano leadoff homer that I'm calling right now. |
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Post by dukedave on Oct 4, 2007 11:03:44 GMT -5
Fine, fine. Doug Davis doesn't entirely suck. Whatever. He's not having the kind of year that Ted Lilly is, though. Among pitchers that made it to the NL postseason, Ted Lilly ranks 3rd in ERA, 2nd in WHIP, 3rd in K/9, and 3rd in opponent's OPS. He's in the top 15 in all of those stats for the whole NL. As #2 starters go, the only one in the NL who was better this year was Chris Young. Doug Davis might not suck, but Ted Lilly's really good. That'll be the difference tonight. That and the Alfonso Soriano leadoff homer that I'm calling right now. The key stat is this - Ted Lilly pitches for the Cubs. Davis does not. That evens out any statistical advantage Lilly has. EDIT - I don't know if it's because we're on a wrestling board but I keep wanting to call Davis, Danny Davis. |
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Post by Aquinas on Oct 4, 2007 11:05:17 GMT -5
I think Doug Davis is a rather underrated pitcher. He's not as consistent as one would like....but I think his win/loss record is always misleading. For the Brewers and also for the first part of this season with the D'Backs, he got lousy run support. He had a solid second half, and I think he's dependable and will pull it off in the big spotlight today. And that's not me being anti-Cub...that's me admittedly being pro-Davis. Fine, fine. Doug Davis doesn't entirely suck. Whatever. He's not having the kind of year that Ted Lilly is, though. Among pitchers that made it to the NL postseason, Ted Lilly ranks 3rd in ERA, 2nd in WHIP, 3rd in K/9, and 3rd in opponent's OPS. He's in the top 15 in all of those stats for the whole NL. As #2 starters go, the only one in the NL who was better this year was Chris Young. Doug Davis might not suck, but Ted Lilly's really good. That'll be the difference tonight. That and the Alfonso Soriano leadoff homer that I'm calling right now. Didn't you call that last night? |
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Post by Aquinas on Oct 4, 2007 11:07:54 GMT -5
Fine, fine. Doug Davis doesn't entirely suck. Whatever. He's not having the kind of year that Ted Lilly is, though. Among pitchers that made it to the NL postseason, Ted Lilly ranks 3rd in ERA, 2nd in WHIP, 3rd in K/9, and 3rd in opponent's OPS. He's in the top 15 in all of those stats for the whole NL. As #2 starters go, the only one in the NL who was better this year was Chris Young. Doug Davis might not suck, but Ted Lilly's really good. That'll be the difference tonight. That and the Alfonso Soriano leadoff homer that I'm calling right now. The key stat is this - Ted Lilly pitches for the Cubs. Davis does not. That evens out any statistical advantage Lilly has. EDIT - I don't know if it's because we're on a wrestling board but I keep wanting to call Davis, Danny Davis. Or "Dangerous" Doug Davis My eyes glaze over at all the numbers and stats. They won't matter -- the D'Backs are the better team right now and are going to win. Don't get angry with me -- get angry at the $300 million wasted on an underachieving team that won a piss-poor division and is about to get dumped in the 1st round. |
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Post by BDS on Oct 4, 2007 11:43:06 GMT -5
Underachieving? They've got one of the best records in MLB since trading Barrett and "righting the ship." They sucked for the first two months of the year - they were absolutely wretched - then Lou figured out what lineups to use and how to handle the guys, and they absolutely turned it around. You think the D-Backs are good, I think they're lucky. I guess we'll find out later that you were, in fact, wrong.  |
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Post by Knapik on Oct 4, 2007 11:45:30 GMT -5
Man the Cubs were one of the top teams in the Majors the last part of the year and they're being called bad? Geez.
Go Cubs
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Post by sickman on Oct 4, 2007 11:56:20 GMT -5
I was the one that called the lead off homer. I just failed to mention that it would come after his lead off dribbler to second I was at work watching the game so didn't realize that they pulled Z like they did. Agree with BDS. If Pinella knew he was going to take him out, why not pinch hit for him. Granted Z is a hell of a bat but you could tell he was pressing too much. |
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Post by BDS on Oct 4, 2007 12:13:45 GMT -5
MLB Fun Fact
Arizona Diamondback's team batting average for 2007: .250
Carlos Zambrano's batting average for 2007: .247
That's why they're not winning this series. Brandon Webb can only pick them up twice.
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Post by Knapik on Oct 4, 2007 12:48:29 GMT -5
MATT HOLLIDAY DIDN'T TOUCH THE DAMN BASE!
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