New Spoiler Policy!

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CotG Message Forum SUPER SECRET SPOILER ...


It will be revealed on Monday in the Miscellaneous forum, that I am Chris Ingersoll's father ...

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[BrianU]

Swarm:

Dude, just play nice. I promise it won't hurt. Chris is not a bad guy, he is just trying to make the board a better place.

[Dave]

2) we've asked for the subject-labels before and people still forget/neglect to add them.

What makes you think this new spoiler system will be any different?

Am I gonna bust your butt about it if you flagged the subject? No; I might edit the post "just to be safe", but that'd be it.

Since the rule will be loosely enforced, people will "forget/neglect" to use this spoiler system. So, will this new policy be better then the one that it is replacing? I don't think this new policy is better.

Ironically, that's the thread that inspired the new policy, too, as Graymar posted the entire SD taping spoiler. He had adequate "warning" space, but continued his discussion after the spoilers, making the space irrelevant and the thread difficult to follow. I saw how the spoilers were germain to the subject (you had referred to them in your post but didn't go into details) and decided it was time we had a coherent policy regarding spoilers, making that post the first "demonstration". (I've already told Graymar that he did nothing wrong

So since Graymar has done "nothing wrong" by your own words, what is the basis for this new policy? Surely, actions by Graymar, who did nothing wrong, is the sole reason for this policy.

I have no idea why mature, rational adults are having problems with this application of basic (n)etiquette (and in some cases, common sense).

So, you are implying that Graymer posting spoilers in the Smackdown Sucks thread is a violation of common sense and basic etiquette(after all, the policy was clearly inspired by this post).. You also stated (see quote above) that Graymar did nothing wrong. So did Graymar violate basic etiquette and common sense, or not.

[thefamoustommyz]

Feeling argumentative much?

This is just an effort to protect people from spoilers without being nazis about it. How about we bar guests from posting and then suspend members for violating the policy?

Tommy

[Chris Ingersoll]

By "did nothing wrong" I mean he didn't violate any rules and did everything he could to keep the spoilers away form people who didn't want to see them. It just happens that the tools he had at his disposal weren't sufficient, so I made some new tools. Graymar "did nothing wrong" because he 1) didn't know that blacking out spoilers was a possibility and 2) at the time he posted, it wasn't a possibility due to the alternating background colors.

As for what makes this policy different from the older one? The fact that this one is public knowledge, stickied to the top of every forum, for starters. Previously there was no stated policy other than us reminding people to flag spoilers and not post specific spoilers in subject lines.

[Dave]

Feeling argumentative much?

Yes, I feel argumentative. Why, I hate highlighting test to read it. The old spoiler policy did not t inconvience me in any way. I can start reading at the top of the post and read to the bottum without having to do anything extra to read the post. Now, I have too highlight sections of posts to read them. I prefer the policy of using SPOILERS before and after the spoiled info. For an example: SPOILER-------This is a test !!!-----SPOiLER. Posting spoilers like that will be the best of both worlds. That way those that want the spoilers can skip them and those that do can read them without any inconvience at all.

[thefamoustommyz]

The problem with the old spoiler policy...as Chris mentioned...was that there wasn't an official spoiler policy, just "common courtesy"...now, we have one, and there's no excuse for people not to know that spoilers are BADWRONG...which now means that if I wander blind into a topic that veers into spoiler territory with no warning, I can get cranky and use my mod powers to do something about it.

[Chris Ingersoll]

thefamoustommyz said:

which now means that if I wander blind into a topic that veers into spoiler territory with no warning, I can get cranky and use my mod powers to do something about it.

And those of you without mod powers can get cranky and PM (or email) one of us who does.

[JED-SE]

Are we still discussing this?? Please, I'm tired of this thread getting new posts. The only post in here that was really worth reading was Swarm poking fun of ECW about his "source": 'Heat being replaced by ECW.' (it'll never get old)
I know I'm new to this discussion board, and I know some people don't like this new policy. In some ways, I understand how it can be annoying. However, it is what it is, and if you don't like it, post the spolier elsewhere. In the mean time, quit whining to the mods and lets add posts to other more worthwhile threads!

[josharpie99]

About the only thing that has come out of this is a lack of new posts because of concerns over what is a spolier and what is not. Sad, isn't it.

I wanted to apologize for posting the Angle/Cena thing, as it seems to have started all of this nonesense. However, it was blown out of porportion too. IMO, I think there are several people on here who, if something is not posted by one of their "supporters" or "buddies," then it is open for attack, no matter what. I've noticed this to be particularly the case with one individual who could not shed the "Guest" tag for quite some time for whatever self-stimulating reason and who sends "classy" PM's to the inboxes of those who do not kiss his xxx.

For the most part, however, this is an interesting message board and I enjoy reading all the posts.

[Dave]

[ The Monolith thread illustrates another problem with this spoiler policy. The Monilth thread spoiled the existance of Monolith and that he would be fueding with Disaster in 2121 to players that are not caught up yet.. Does this mean that any post concerning any topic about any game edition after the first one should be blacked out? I sure in hell hope not!!!!!!!! If this is not the case, then what is classified as a spoiler?

[Chris Ingersoll]

As I mentioned, it is a case-by-case basis. I wouldn't consider the facts that Monolith will 1) exist and 2) feud with Disaster spoilers because they're explicitly stated in the 2120 book. In that thread, nothing else about the character was mentioned until Mark T mentioned the Eugenics team and the fact that they're genetically engineered; even that isn't (much of) a spoiler, as it isn't going to impact his arrival in any way -- anyone eventually getting to Monolith will have (hopefully) read 2120 and received that prep one way or the other.

"Spoilers" are something "spoil the ending" or other unknown outcome, hence the name. In the GWF/CotG Universe, some famous spoilers are the true identity of Killing Machine, the shocking return of a long-forgotten favorite (especially if Tom or Mark has a set preview that includes some sort of "mystery card"), any Sudden Death/MegaTournament results, and a lot of hero/villian alliance shifts/turns. Whether or not you want to black those topics out depends on the content of the thread; if it is one that you would expect "newer" players to be reading, you might want to protect them from accidently ruining future editions for themselves.

Probably the best guideline is this: remember how you felt when you learned the information that you are about to discuss. Did it take you by surprise? Would you have any way of knowing this beforehand (not counting "recognizing the clues")? Then it's probably spoiler-worthy information. Of course, that reaction has to be modified with time; Pit Viper turning on the Titans and joining the Assassins was pretty shocking at the time (I guess; I started with 2090), but only the greenest of CotG newcomers won't be aware of it now. Because of the subjective nature of this, the mods and I aren't going to be swinging the banhammer over not blacking out information unless we feel that it was your intent to spoil things for everyone (e.g., in an imaginary universe where we stzrted playing CotG at 2074 and moved up, coming out and saying "THANTOS TURNS ON STAR WARRIOR AND BREAKS THE GALACTIC CODE!!!!!!" prior to the official release of the 2087 edition), in which case you're just being a jerk and deserve a time out.

The other class of spoiler is "pre-public information", which is where things like Smackdown tapings or information regarding the summer CotG releases after Galacticon but before the official mailings come in.

[larry]

8-)Why use spoilers in the first place? I got 15 people that play my gwf fed. I make the matches and I won't let them know whats going on till fight night. If i was to let them know who they fight that would take some fun out of it. The more you keep things quiet the more fun and exciteing it gets.

[Tongsoon of Cygnus]

josharpie99 said:

IMO, I think there are several people on here who, if something is not posted by one of their "supporters" or "buddies," then it is open for attack, no matter what. I've noticed this to be particularly the case with one individual who could not shed the "Guest" tag for quite some time for whatever self-stimulating reason and who sends "classy" PM's to the inboxes of those who do not kiss his xxx.

For the most part, however, this is an interesting message board and I enjoy reading all the posts.

Yeah, I have to TOTALLY agree with that right there. What makes it worse, I have yet to see this person be reprimanded for any of his/her/it's comments to the other promoters.

[swarm]

^I also totally agree...^